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that the fiscal cliff won't hit the economy right away. tell actually give lawmakers more time to continue negotiating. but how long can our economy take the uncertainty? >> it is not just uncertainty. we have had that factored in. the reality is that unless the president suspends the increase in payroll taxes that are going to take place, not just social security, but withholding for income tax, while they continue to negotiate, we have gone off the cliff. in the month of january, people will live off their credit cards, but they can only do that so long. come february and march, the higher taxes will require adjustments in the spending habits of folk who is make between $25,000 and $100,000 a year. i would point out that this is no reason to give the president everything he wants and pass that bill that he proposes because if the republicans do that, they lose all their leverage. i have news for most people. if we dont curb our spending, everybody's going to have to pay the higher taxes in the end because things are flying out of ceil. >> no one's talking about spending cuts right now t.
ceiling. a lot of smart people argue how quickly the fiscal cliff will damage the economy. we'll talk more in the show about what the timetable will be. here's what you need to know. the treasury department said on monday they need to begin taking action to keep us from breaking through the debt ceiling. they can buy us two months with the tricks they have up their sleeve. if we waste that time, we get to the debt ceiling and we haven't climbed back up the fiscal cliff and the republicans begin playing games with the debt ceiling, that would be fiscal suicide. we breakthrough the debt ceiling, we're talking depression. not a quick recession. it would be the single stupidest and most damaging act of sabotage in american history. and it cannot be allowed to happen. and here, hopefully to tell me why it will not happen is alice, who probably knows more about the budget and the budget deals than probably anybody else alive. she's appointed to president obama's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform. and she's currently a senior fellow at the brookings institution. thank you fo
. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than sim
-called fiscal cliff, our economy is coming back, but it's still very tenuous. this is the last thing that we want to see happen, and both sides need to get together and work this out. >> mayor parker, have you taken a stand on where you think the negotiations should go at this point? whether it be on the union side or the maritime side? >> i'm a big believer of doing negotiating at the bargaining contain table. i have to do a lot of negotiations with my unions. they just need to get back together and work this out. the crux of the matter is on royalty payments that were put in decades ago to soften the blow of moving to automated containerized ar ccargo. it's certainly time to move forward to a new agreement. you can't just cling to the past forever, but both sides are going to have to give and move this forward. this is bad for the u.s. economy. and it will have ripple effects around the world. >> mayor parker, thank you for your time. >> we're down 83 on the dow. let's get a market flash back at hq. brian? >> simon, some pending home sales came in high. in fact, the highest level in two an
, but the republicans win because the economy is going to go out yet another fiscal cliff. george w. bush is not the president. obama is the president, he is not putting forth proposals to work with republicans. he will have to take ownership of this. they need to come up with a cohesive message about real economic growth and shrinking the size of government. they don't have a message and that is going to be the big question about who wins and long-run. jon: if we go over the cliff, i mean, everyone's paycheck, just about -- come january 1, it will be shrunk because government is going to be taking a much bigger chunk out of it. that will infuriate people. are they going to be blaming president obama? >> well, they won't be blaming president obama because polls show that they are blaming republicans. republicans are not really coming to the table. we had an election, and we had an election where voters clearly supported the president. jon: he got 50.96% of the population. >> he got over 300 electoral votes. romney only have one battleground state. tons of senate victories, again in the ho
tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the first ever downgrade of the nation's credit rating. joining us now from capitol hill is cnbc's aman jabbers. appreciate you helping us make sense of all of this. >> happy new year. thank you for having me. >> on a less happy note, there are economists who are saying this whole fight over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the stock market sell off rather dramatically just in those couple of minutes as that news was coming out. i got to say that over the past 24 hours or so the stock market has been relatively calm sort of expecting a deal, expecting that lawmakers wi
or not we will be heading off the fiscal cliff. what impact will it have on the 2013 economy? we head live to times square for a special edition of bank on this. this nfl player right there losing his temper after a call by the ref. what set him off? we will tell you. first let's check in with dave briggs to see what is coming up on "fox & friends." i understand this is your last day with us. we are going to miss you. >> i will miss this place indeed. it's my fox family. a big show coming up we, too, are counting down to the fiscal cliff to new year's eve to the nfl post season on my last day as you said and clayton's birthday mind you. an update on hillary clinton's condition in just about 10 minutes join us for "fox & friends" 6-9 eastern time. >> welcome back. it is 52 after the top of the hour. let's span the globe to see what's happening in headlines. hugo chavez is reporting from new complications following his recent cancer surgery there. so far we are hearing those complications are stemming from a respiratory infection and his condition is delicate. next to northern ireland where
troubles for the u.s. economy if a deal to avert the fiscal cliff cannot be reached. jpmorgan's chief u.s. economist will join us live a little later on to explain the biggest risks in his view now that investors face. we're back in two. >>> if lawmakers fail to create a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff by january 1st, federal work study will be cut by over $76 million. and over 51,000 fewer students would receive aid. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. i'd like to be optimistic. but it looks like they're going to blow. >> the real linchpin is whether john boehner can bring his troops along. that's a real tough one
on the horizon. right now, the country's attention and that of the media is on the fiscal cliff, and i understand that. economy of the nation and the world may be at stake here. i think that sooner or later, there will be some kind of an agreement. will we are talking about here is a fundamental change in the ruling, the possibility of a fundamental change in the way the senate does business peeping basically changing the rules of the senate from either 60 votes, sometimes 67, to 51 votes, which would make as no different than -- make us no different than the house of representatives, and of course would reduce us in many respects not to irrelevance in the minority party. here is the problem. on one side, the majority leader and the democrats are frustrated by their inability to move forward with legislation. every time there is an opposition to a motion to proceed, which takes days and then they proceed, and that has made the united states congress -- one of the reasons why the united states congress is judged the least productive congress since the year 1947. so, understandably the majority is
to that grand bargain that the fiscal cliff, which is part of that $700 billion being pulled out of the economy would have been part of that overall agreement. it's not. this is not kicking the can down the road if and only if they first get the $200 billion, that is all the debt reduction we can afford this coming year and then do the grand bargain and that doesn't have to be completed until near the end of february. that's when we approach the real debt ceiling with the treasury department no longer moving around money. this has to be a one, two step process. if we do not get to the second step, however, you're spot on. this means that our policy makers don't have the political will to do what's right and that is where all credit agencies will downgrade u.s. treasury bonds and that begins the ex-orable slide down to a very sluggish economy and maybe in the longer term losing our superstar economic status. >> not to mention all this time we'll be spending on this as time that is going to be taken away from other pressing things that need to get done by the congress in this new session. thank y
-minute agreement, none will see the picket signs sunday. >> economist worried if we do go off the fiscal cliff, it's now averted strike would have combined for a deadly one-two punch to the u.s. economy. now the overall deal is at 100% signed off on by februar february 6, then we are right back to where we were this morning and again the national retail federation and the florida governor rick scott will be urging president obama to prevent a strike invoking the tap partly act and something not done since president george w. bush did it in 2002. back to you. >> doug: phil keating in miami. the so-called milk cliff that would also kick in to effect the lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff they be averted now. hill source tells fox news and the senate agriculture leaders working on a year long extension of all farm programs. the source noted that the truman era law is so old it would take weeks to implement. even if the old law expires don't expect immediate spike if milk prices. >>> congress is still working to find agreement on the $60.4 billion emergency spending bill for hurricane sandy victim
about the economy even if you take the fiscal cliff off the table. the suggestion was actually that coming into this we're actually in a much better position given the housing situation, given some of the new energy things that are going on, that maybe all of this doom and gloom is unfounded. fair? unfair? >> fair. undoubtedly we're in a better position today than we were a year ago. the housing market has healed. companies, especially the big companies, are doing great. they have lots of cash, and consumer household balances are improving. so undoubtedly, the economy is healing slowly. but it's not healing at a critical mass. so unless government sorts out the headwinds, unless government corrects market failures and public goods issues, we're not going to have enough critical mass to get into higher growth, lower unemployment, and better income equality. that's the issue. >> that's the issue now. but mohamed, just going back and trying to figure out why the market hasn't reacted more strongly do this you think it's more of a bet on the fed than on the idea that we do see some
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the bill through without pulling the fiscal cliff, our economy will improve the tax revenues from that will be more than he would get from the rich now. host: appreciate the call. let's go to oklahoma, a line for republicans. caller: i am so disgusted with both political parties. it seems they are putting their party before their country. and i want these politicians to know they are the ones that have been up there for years and spent all this money and now the average person will be the one who will have to pay, and i believe they are being bought off by the 2%. right is right, wrong is wrong, and to take away from the needy and cut food stamps from people who qualify -- it takes an act of congress to qualify. i cannot understand that these people are protecting the 2% of the country. host: jefferson city, missouri, you are on. go ahead. caller: yeah, i think boehner should be removed from the speaker of the house, and president obama should be in and his entire staff, including hillary clinton. i do not know if you have noticed but nancy pelosi, her eyes are consistently dilate
conversations we'll have a bipartisan solution, because nobody wants to go over this fiscal cliff. it will damage our economy. it will hurt every taxpayer, the largest tax increase in history. it will affect everybody, and anyone who is watching who thinks, oh this isn't going to impact me, you will fin out d o will, and we know the problem is a lot of spending. not that we're not taxing people more, we're just spending too much. we hope that the president understands that as for as republicans are concerned, we're willing to negotiate and have a civil conversation, but also he's got to bring in some spending cuts and tax reform, because americans want tax reform and we don't want to hurt the economy, and, look there, are not enough millionaires in the united states to tax them all to be able to spend our way out of this problem. so let's -- let's give up a little bit -- each side can concede a little. and i think we can fin middle ground. i'm optimistic. >> we had your colleague nan hayworth last hour. she was expecting work to be done in the senate. the house did its best, boehn
, that if the u.s. were to really go over the u.s. fiscal cliff that the economy would go back into recession, unemployment would go from 7% to over 9%. that thousands of people would lose their jobs? >> no, wolf. i don't think there would be a permanent situation where we went over the fiscal cliff and nothing was done. my point is that if we went over the fiscal cliff and tax rates went up and spending cuts were substantial, that republicans would be under a huge pressure, even greater pressure than they are now to agree to a democratic initiative to cut middle class taxes and also restore the spending cuts that really do need to be restored. especially for the middle class and the poor. under the present circumstances, we to some extent have the worst of both worlds. the president loses the bargaining advantage of having that fiscal cliff and also having the public behind him. and has given in to republican demands of moving that threshold from $250,000 over $450,000. >> we've got to leave it there. grover norquist and robert reich, thanks to both of you. i know you'll be joining us later
.s. stock market. despite all those worries about the fiscal cliff and maybe slower growth in the u.s. economy, the stock market has had a great year. too bad you missed out. smart money's been on the market. the rest of us have been worried about the fiscal cliff. >> number eight, facebook's ipo. hundreds of millions of people like facebook, but investors did not on its first day as a public company. trading glitches at the nasdaq and questions about the company's ability to make money on mobile users pummeled the stock, which has yet to climb its way back to its ipo price. >> number seven, mother meyer. the new ceo of yahoo! who announced she was just going to take a two-week maternity leave as she tried to turn this company around. 37 years old, it looks like a mother's touch is what yahoo! needed. >> mother nature. an intense drought in the midwest that scorched the corn and soy crop, sending prices sky high. >> who can forget super storm sandy? neighborhoods along the northeast swept away, millions without power and damages as high as 50 billion dollars raising lots of question
is the fiscal cliff impasse. it's a potentially devastating one-two bunch for the u.s. economy. neither the longshore's union or alliance shipping company would allow anyone to speak on camera. but officials knowledgeable of the negotiations say it boils down to one issue. the key sticking point is the payments that the longshore men get for them. they pay royalties for the containers based on their weight but the shipping companies want to freeze those royalty payments for current longshore men and eliminate them for future hires. the longshore men say the royalties are made to make up for automation. but if the shipping companies lockout the longshore men -- >> that would impact more than containers. that would impact all cargos at ports. that would have a much more impactful reaction. $55 billion worth of cargo in an average month this year. candy? >> brian, i have to imagine retail companies and others who want those goods off the ships and in their stores have to be plenty worried. do they have a plan b to move those goods if there's a strike? >> reporter: yes. some of them do. clo
. with the deadline of the fiscal cliff only hours away. we failed to reach a reasonable compromise to move the economy forward and ward off painful tax hikes on the middle class. >> a lot of people feeling like in both the house and the senate this process could have been handled much better a long time ago with open hearings rather than having two people negotiate this deal at the last minute, trace. mike emanuel back to us on capitol hill. any updates as they come in. thank you. on this day in 1938, police tested the world's first
for their businesses, should they buy a new computer, hire new people, the fiscal cliff is damaging the economy today. >> juliet: what are they doing? they don't know what to do. you have to act the at a certain point. are they laying people or, are they not moving? >> it's minimalist, do the least amount you can do at this point in time until you know what your tax liability is going to be. until you know what the economic outlook's going be to be. are we going to have another recession. >> juliet: how is that affecting them by doing the least, the least type of movement, i guess you could say? >> many of my members are not giving out bonuses, they're freezing pay, not hiring. that's what's happening on the main street america. and the fiscal cliff impacted already and main street small businesses are feeling that impact. if we go over the cliff, of course, it will be exacerbated and even worse, starting on january 1, the payroll taxes start going up and the rest of us. i think most small businesses people are convinced nobody in washington has a clue how to run a business, how to balance the books,
forward and pass whenever bill is necessary so we can avoid this fiscal cliff. if we do not do that, it will result in the economy, a tepid recovery we are having to go into recession. we do not want that. host: thank you for the call, justin. a few comments on our facebook page -- we are taking your calls and tweets and facebook messages all morning on this segment and the next segment about the fiscal cliff. we will go to franklin from georgia on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. i like to tell congress, congress is a mano kolinsky for the lobbyists. we have to deal with that. -- monica lewinsky for the lobbyists. we have to do that. they are putting money in their pockets so they can take vacations and revitalize their homes. host: do you think this fiscal cliff nonsense is to make more members of congress money. caller: yes. anytime you can say that corporations are people, you have already gone against -- i am talking about what the forefathers said. when they said that liberty and pursuit of happiness -- the two- party does not -- the tea party does not
also referenced the impending fiscal cliff, which threatens to derail the economy if a compromise can't be reached by next week on those big unanswered issues. with both sides locked in the standoff, house republicans are calling on senate democrats to act first. democrats aren't budging much on their demands. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000, prolong unemployment benefits, and delay those sweeping spending cuts. sam stein. >> yes. >> what happens in -- and it appears it will happen -- we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days? >> not much, is my understanding. kwb, over time, it will have much more of an impact, and it's unknown exactly what the market's psyche will do with respect to the government's inability to come together. with respect to the tax hikes, it won't be as bad as the rhetoric is suggesting early on. whether it's enough to actually get people to get back to the negotiating table -- because i agree with you, i think we're going to go over that deadline, that's the big question. what kind of political ramifications it will have. it's not as if yo
at the countdown to the fiscal cliff. our guest will be damian paletta. then an interview with randallotoole. then a discussion on the economy, poverty, and hunger. an urban's snr fellow. "washington journal" live every morning on c-span. >> california's representative lynn woolsey is retiring this year. she represents the 6th district in california. we spoke with her in november about her time as co-chairman of the progressive caucus as well as her opposition to the iraq and afghanistan wars. this interview is 30 minutes. >> representative lynn woolsey retiring, 20 years in congress. why are you leaving? >> well, i had my --ly say it this way, i was elected 20 years ago on my 55th birthday. do the math and 20 years and 75 years old and it is time for me to retire. >> what is next? >> i'm president for americans for democratic action. i was just re-elected for a second term. i follow in the footsteps of george mcgovernor and others and i will have a national presence and i will be traveling around the world to developing countries with the organization. >> what are you going to be doing with
, corporations. i'm happy to be here today to talk to you about the fiscal cliff and how it might affect my business. i am mostly optimistic about our economy in the future, i have grave concerns about what is going on in congress and the potential fiscal cliff we are facing and the elimination of the tax cuts. a lot of the small business owners i talked to and know are in favor of keeping the tax cuts in place especially for the middle class. we believe in balanced approach and we think it's ok to allow the elimination of the tax cuts for the wealthy. as taxes increase, the taxes at my business will be effected and i will have less to pay for investments and new equipment, hiring new people, but personally my income tax rates will go up. it's already a financially constrained environment. but customers tax rates will go up creating less demand for my products and less revenue for me and less tax revenue for the government. i want to urge congress and senators to vote for keeping our tax cuts in place, especially for the middle class and pushing our fiscal crisis to a balanced approach. go
. fiscal cliff crisis taking a toll on consumer confidence. putting things in context, here it is. a score of 90 on the conference board's index means the economy is healthy. last time we saw that number was 2007 before the start of the financial crisis. over the last two months we've seen steady declines. november's report showed a score of 71.5 and 65.1 in december. that is lowest number we've seen since august. joining us now for more on this is jonathan hunt, portfolio manager for capitalist pig hedge fund. contributor to for fox news channel, good to see you. >> happy new year. >> consumers have no faith in congress, guys get your act together. if there is a deal tomorrow, how do you think is this is going to affect consumer confidence over the next six months? >> it might slightly help but already there is a tremendous damage done. it's no surprise that consumers are not confident. to be confident you have to have some slight semblance of certainty and we haven't had anything like that. consumers want to think long term and budget but trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of
the fiscal cliff. it will be an interesting few days as congress starts to reconvene. and also as corporate america is taking up this fight as well. ceo howard schulze of starbucks urging workers at 120 washington area stores to start writing on their coffee cups, come together. >> are you serious? >> yes. yes. >> that should help. i think that's going to do it. >> problem solved. >> between that, and the pins. >> i never thought of that. >> can you imagine -- oh, good idea, howard schulze. but he says we deserve better. >> we probably do. >> he's right. >> a lot of them are still on vacation. house members have been told there's nothing scheduled for this week. but you could be called back with 48 hours' notice. so, in a perfect world, things could possibly come together. >> 48 hours' notice and we have five days to go. >> i'm not saying we're not cutting it awfully close, but that's where things stand as of right now. >> new new housing data out tod home prices rose 4.3% in the 12 months ending in october in a 20-city composite, beating analysts' forecasts. it did appear as 12 of the 20 c
at congress with distain and rightfully so. with the deadline on the fiscal cliff only hours away we've failed to reach a reasonable compromise to move the economy forward and ward off painful tax hikes on the middle class. >> reporter: so everybody is waiting to see if the senate can reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's not entirely clear when the house would act. i talked to a key leadership aide who he said if the senate passes a deal we could certainly signal that we will take it up perhaps tomorrow morning and that would keep everybody calm, but first things first, they need a deal, jon. jon: by my calculation they have less than 13 hours to accomplish that. mike emanuel, thank you. >> reporter: thank you, sir. jon: let's take a look at the dow with all this fiscal cliff nonsense going on. it's up, actually about 8 points right there as you can see. still down below 13,000, though, after heavy losses last week. very light trading also as you might imagine on this day before the market is closed for the new year's holiday. while congress cannot seem to agree on a fiscal cliff fix, it loo
. this could have a very, very bad impact on the economy as a whole. it is called the fiscal cliff. for that reason. a plan to stop it all from happening still eludes washington. so congress has broken camp for the holidays, the president has gone to hawaii on vacation. white house correspondent brianna keilar tells us no one is really talking, anyone, to get this solved. at least not here at christmas. >> reporter: senate democrats are not in conversations right now with senate republicans or with house republicans. and this is problematic obviously because in order to avoid the fiscal cliff, you would need to find some sort of deal that would make it through the senate and the house and that would mean democratic and republican support. right now, all eyes on the senate because they will reconvene on the 27th that is thursday. and senate majority leader harry reid, it is up to him really to cobble together something that can get some of that support. right now the white house is still supporting a threshold of $250,000 back to their initial starting point for tax rates going up f
. >> economists say one of the effects of the fiscal cliff is that businesses are now holding back on spending money whether it be investing in stock, machinery and equipment needed for the company or products they sell. and for a slowly strengthening economy, the shock of less spending could be all it takes to push the country back into a recession. >> businesses are not hiring workers now at the pace we would expect because the small businesses say we can't hire right now until we know what the tax system is going to look like and what our tax bill is going to be in 2013. >> and shannon, economists also say the trend will decrease money in the pockets of consumers so they will have less money to put back into the economy by buying goods and services. back to you. >> shannon: we asked you if going over the fiscal cliff might be a good thing. and boy, did you respond. your answers, next. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday!
to see you. >> good morning. >> dave: it's funny, we're talking about the fiscal cliff stuff and jobs seem to be left out of the conversation. we haven't heard about much to jump start the economy. tell us what the jobs act is. >> first of all, the financing cliff, you can either raise taxes, cut spending or grow the economy. there has been very little discussion about growth. congress did something great and president obama signed it. it was called the jobs act. it was about growth and a lot of growth through innovation. what it did is made easier forebitt entwhistles to raise money. they could crowd funds, go out to more people before having these commission regulations, they could do many other things they couldn't do under the present law. but it did require the security and exchange commission to issue some rules. it turns out those rules have still not been issued. it's been about a year now and they've been held up because the chairman of the sec, chairwoman, shapiro, no relation to me, decided to sit on them because she was concerned about her legacy, according to some e-mails
it to us. live from honolulu. washington is not the only one thinking about the fiscal cliff. it turns out that the concerns about it or affecting how much people are spending this holiday season. analysts saying overall sales are down from last year. it's not just the economy though. they say people just don't feel like spending as much. many still feeling the wake of super storm sandy. also those recent shootings in colorado and connecticut. because of the low sales predictions. retailers are banking on last-minute shoppers to boost their bottom lines but experts say they could be disappointed. fox business network's adam shapiro has that news. adam? >> so the holiday shopping season, when you crunch the numbers, may not prove to be as merry as some people had hoped for. first the good news, national retail federation saying they are still on track for growth of 4.1% over the last we have 586 billion-dollar holiday shopping season. according to the nrf. we won't get the final numbers until after the holidays have played out. already though, shopper track is indicating it's not going to b
mobile app. >>> from the cnn money newsroom in new york, i'm ali velshi. this is your money. the fiscal cliff is a battle of ideological wills. some americans feel strongly that increasing taxes hurts the economy. quite possible that it will. but the central question is whether it will hurt all that much to raise income taxes a little bit on the highest earners in the country. well, to push the country to the edge of a recession over this is irresponsible. the increase will hardly affect the economy. but that's my opinion. and my opinion should count as much as anyone else's. the problem is that in washington one person's opinion carries disproportionate weight and that person is grover norquist. he's the head of americans for tax reform. they have got the pledge that mostly republican members of congress signed to say they won't increase taxes. now, understand this. the top marginal tax rate going from 35% to 39.6% is not a tax increase. it is a return to tax rates that would have taken place after the temporary bush tax cuts expired and got extended. so the way i see it, that cuts wit
: in the new year, i think they come to some resolution of the fiscal cliff. we are looking forward to another year like we had. 2% growth are a little less. the prospects this quarter were impaired by the cliff, and we expect that to go forward into the next quarter. host: the president coming into town tonight, and the congress tomorrow. realistically, what do you think will happen? guest: i do not think a lot will happen and i think we will go over the cliff. i am an economist, not a politician. i do not believe that the republicans will give the president merely a tax increase on people over $250,000. there are not able to push that through the house with some spending cuts. that does not seem to make much sense. host: peter will be here for 40 minutes taking your calls and tweets about the u.s. economy. we continue to take a look at economic matters. our guest recently wrote about the debt limit. the headline in "the boston globe" -- do you agree with that sentiment? guest: i would hope it would not threaten the economy again. it is all bound up in this issue of curbing government spendi
in recession regardless of the fiscal cliff. >> to be fair, i'm told there are a number of republicans, especially in the house, who want to go over the cliff for the reason i explained, that they'd much rather vote for a tax cut than a tax increase because they don't want to break your pledge. grover, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> no one should break their pledge. >> merry christmas. thank you, grover. >> merry christmas to you. >> ahead on "starting point," who would do this right before christmas? real grinches break into one family's home, turning over their tree, stealing their electronics. what are they going to do about it? we'll talk to them live next. i . because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at ci
actively. the fiscal cliff is thought to be connected with real economic disaster if it goes on, raising unemployment past 9% and sending the economy into a tailspin. if they get things done by the middle of next week it won't have a major impact but they need to show the american public they can get this agreed upon. >> in good faith. >> or they'll rattle the markets. tomorrow's the day to keep your eye on the senate. they have to pass something. senator reid will feel a sense of responsibility to get something done. >> we'll bring you back this hour. i appreciate it. you gave us a nugget that some of this could be retro actively picks -- fixed. >> all this talk about what will happen in the nation goes over the cliff. we'll talk about how it could affect your paycheck in particular. the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her likes 50% more cash. but i'm upping my game. do you want a candy cane? yes! do you want the puppy? yes! do you want a tricycle? yes! do you want 50 percent more cash? ♪ festive. [ mal
of the federal government as appropriately putting its foot on the accelerate to help a weak economy. the question is how quickly and -- how quickly the government should ease off the gas pedal, what the fiscal cliff is essentially taking the foot off the gas, putting two feet on the brake pedal and standing up. that is not what we want to do. the question is finding the right balance that still supports a vulnerable economy, yet begins the process to renormalize the revenue level of the federal government. host: now we've got the tweet from a fussy liberal. it says it's time to be a liberal and -- host: how much of the fiscal crisis can be attributed to the war into the afghanistan that were not part to the original budget? caller: it is -- guest: it is instructive to go back. if you look at the current deficit over $1 trillion, still a majority of that is related to the recession that began in 2008. however, it is certainly true that going into that recession, we were dealing with structural deficits that were result-a-result of tax cuts initiated during the bush administration and
on the fiscal cliff. that's spoiling the rally so far. it could be worse. we have seen much bigger negative reaction to all these congressional shenanigans in the past. could be a sign the economy is in better shape this time around. you just look at the s&p 500, victor, still on track for a 13% gain for the year. that's as we look at all the red on the screen. victor? >> a lot of red there is. red and green. wish we had more green. alison kosik, thank you. >>> if you weren't able to watch your favorite christmas classic on netflix, we know why. the video streaming service is blaming a massive outage at one of amazon's web service centers. they say it happened on christmas eve. now, netflix has millions of subscribers in the u.s., canada, latin america, most folks have service up and running again by christmas day, though. if they missed it going into christmas, they can watch it in the evening. one netflix official says they're looking at how to prevent something like this from happening again. >>> russia is trying to put the brakes on americans adopting russian children. and today that ba
the estimates about the impact of unemployment insurance if it is not extended in the fiscal cliff talks? guest: it is negative. if they do not get -- they spend less, and that is bad for the economy. we know what the congressional budget office said. the $30 billion cost of extending these programs would generate $33 billion. that is because this money trickles through the system. that money is spent on food, housing, heating, all of those basic necessities and give us a multiplier effect. host: this is from the national unemployment law program. nearly 1 million workers will run out of state unemployment benefits without access by the end of the first quarter of 2013. take us through those numbers a little bit, and specifically that 1 million more workers, how they would be impacted. guest: there are two fundamental programs. the important thing about them, this is really what counts in this, is that they provide those additional benefits at that six- month mark. if workers don't get those additional benefits, and they will be forced into other kinds of government programs, like welfare. that
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